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Hello all, we hope 2017 has been off to a good start for you. No doubt, we all are in for an interesting year and especially as of last Friday, we believe that the grounds for our services are very fertile...

Recently we have run into a few instances that prompted us wanting to add "release of liability" or "waiver of liability and statement of understanding" a paragraph or two, or three or four...to our sign in sheet that we use at our group sound meditation sessions. Before I head off to Google to re-invent the wheel and sift through a plethora of examples, I was wondering if anyone is willing to share the verbiage they use on their "release form".

Thank you much in advance.

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Interesting subject, I am curious to see what people think or do about this.
(It seems I was giving this some thought a year or so ago, but then forgot about it!)


((Not a lot of activity here lately. How do we encourage the community to check in more often and participate in the discussions?  From what I hear, Facebook is the easy 'one stop' for social networking and people tend not to visit forums so much anymore - but this format is so much better than FB for longevity and depth of discussion and accessibility etc....))


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PS - Marian, can you describe what those incidents were that have prompted you to develop a waiver of liability?
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The sound part of our sessions is 1 h long. We prefix our session with an intro to what it is all about and the fact that we all receive and integrate the experience differently, even though, there are several common similarities for most people.

We had one lady display a mild case of "hysteria" after the event. She started sobbing and crying and as we attended her with some calming words, we felt that she was seeking attention in her own fashion, and as it turned out on following occasions, she seems to have the tendency to do that. The other woman got up toward the middle of the session rushed out and in the end threw up. While we are not taking it as a reflection on our session or style of play ([wink]), as it turned out she was known to the owners of the venue as someone seeking attention in various "unconventional" ways. So this was not new to them.

We are fully aware of the fact that we all react to the sound and various segments throughout a sound session in different ways since different sounds, tempi etc. evoke different feelings, emotions, memories etc.

Yet as we all know, it is one thing if one works with someone on a one on one basis, in a group setting clearly it is different as participants walk come in from all different walks of life.

Anyways, to protect ourselves to some extent and some fashion, we now want participants to sign a waiver in which we state that they are there on their own accord, the sound session does not replace any medical treatment and that we are not responsible for their reaction to the sounds etc., etc., etc. 

Hope this clarifies the scenario. Thank you.

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Thank you, Marian.

Hopefully some others here will offer their perspectives on this.


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Many in this Forum perform in front of groups, as well as private session work, me included. I'm going to weigh in for what it's worth. Personally, I find 'group' work more challenging than private session-work. There is a myriad of elements that can affect a group, because it's impossible to customize the performance per individual. Whereas in private session-work you can do a better job.

I am currently working with a Princeton Music Therapist to develop a training program for people who work with groups. This will probably be offered next year (2018). Last Summer I brought this person in to address this topic in one of my advanced sound programs, and it was very well received by the students.

The question I think everyone is pointing out, is why do people have 'resistance issues?' And the other point is, why do practitioners fail to recognize the complexities with group work? People can have 'issues' for about 100 reasons. As far as practitioners, this goes to a lack of education coupled with good intention. Now I'm sure many of you may have a problem with this, but I cannot explain it any more direct. One reason people have issues, is because of 'past trauma', but this is far from the only reason. Sound shapes consciousness, so you need to have knowledge and experience in this area. Good intentions does not replace knowledge and experience, remember that. Another issue is 'listening skills', people don't know how to listen. They need this explained to them. My colleague Alexandre Tannous has elaborated on this subject many times in the past. Don't confuse your 'good experience' with sound to be accepted by others. Everything that Marian said, I've seen many times over the years. I also receive emails nearly everyday, from people who have had a bad experience with a sound 'healer' or a sound 'healer' who cannot fathom what they did 'wrong.' I have a certified Music Therapist who teaches in one of my programs, and they will say in regards to private session-work, that when the 'client' has issues, YOU STOP THE MUSIC. The problem with group work is that you really never know when someone is having issues until you see them leave the room or at the end of the performance. It's usually their issue and not you, but I have seen examples where the person, untrained and unaware, caused the issue in the first place, and in this case, I see this more and more now. Because everyone thinks they are a sound healer, and their ego prevents them from receiving genuine education and training.

This is a huge subject as far as I am concerned, and it's not going to get better, as long as practitioners remain untrained, or under trained. That's my 2 cents, and now everyone is free to crucify me.


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 ....but I have seen examples where the person (practitioner), untrained and unaware, caused the issue in the first place, and in this case, I see this more and more now. Because everyone thinks they are a sound healer, and their ego prevents them from receiving genuine education and training.

This is a huge subject as far as I am concerned, and it's not going to get better, as long as practitioners remain untrained, or under trained. That's my 2 cents, and now everyone is free to crucify me.

I'll get my hammer and nails....[eek]

 

No, seriously, I agree with you 100%. I too see more and more untrained or under trained 'healers' popping up all the time. It's a real problem and is not particularly healthy for the scene. And yes, too often it is as you say, their egos prevent them from receiving genuine depth education. (That and/or lack of awareness that there is anything of significance to learn.)

The irony is that if we gently and benevolently point out where another might benefit from some real study and greater understanding, it can and has gotten turned around to "it's your ego man, you think you know everything!"

Well....uh, no..... in knowing what I do know, my awareness is increased around how much more there is that I don't know, actually - which is part of why I continue to study, practice, and began this forum. And in what I do know, there is a certain acquired and cultivated perspective that has value if you wish to engage it. Your choice.

I apprenticed with one of my teachers, a true master, for ten years.
Not so many it seems have even a concept of that anymore, and what is gained by such long term dedication and involvement.

But I think I am veering off topic, sorry Marian!! 

Regarding release forms, even though I've thought about it before (maybe even we talked about it privately?), I just haven't yet ever felt the necessity for it. Having worked with small groups of about 10 - 40 people at least 100 times, and large groups of 75 - 200 more than 20 times, I've never had the issue come up in any significant way.

What I have had is issues come up, three or four times, before I even started playing a note - where the challenged person in question found some reason to be offended by something I said in my preliminary 'setting the scene' talk. Most of those people left before any sounding began. Sure, with the numbers I've had in groups it is entirely possible that others have had difficulties but never said anything to me. Additionally, it is not entirely uncommon for someone to have a personal issue come up that concerns them and they then ask me about it afterward, but in a manner where they are aware of and own their own condition.

But still none of this is helping you with your original question![rolleyes]

I've got an extra hammer and plenty of nails if anyone needs them....



 


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I've talked to my students about release forms in the past, and somewhere I have one, but it's been quite awhile since I've used it myself. I have insurance on what I provide. I want to say very strongly once again. Practitioners need to explain to their clients or whomever, HOW TO LISTEN, AND PROCESS. This whole dynamic is about consciousness, do not forget this. Furthermore, making someone 'feel good' versus 'making them well' are different.
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We can often make them feel good. Or better. That's easy. We can't "make them well."
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Thank you for your thoughts.

Clearly a complex subject and as a participant, common sense would tell you that you go in and expect the unexpected, in all its myriad forms, anything can happen. Similar to when you do anything else in life. In our sessions we specifically ask if there are participants to receive the gongs for the first time and correspondingly share extra thoughts for and with those on the parameters of what is coming, i.e that different sounds trigger different emotions, feelings, memories, physical sensations, that all we are "sending" is infused with good and positive intentions etc. etc. 

And as a practitioner, being educated about your craft, keeping your ego aside, setting the scene properly in your introduction, advising people that, as Mitch mentioned, sound does shape consciousness, inviting them to set their intention for receiving and integrating the sounds, placing your own proper intentions and on and on...clearly is key. We are merely providing a gateway to deep inner exploration.

Thankfully the two cited incidents are by far the exception, by large people take very well to the gongs and our sound journeys.

In the meantime we obtained a release form from a hospital venue that we are at regularly which they use for some of their health related programs. We will shape it to meet our parameters and be glad to share it in the near future for others to have.

Wishing you well,
Marian

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Thanks, Marian, will be glad to see what you come up with. Thank you for your willingness and generosity to share it.
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