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Tonight, we resume some experiments with different mics and techniques. They are unusually challenging to capture well, imo, for a variety of reasons. What are your favorite approaches?
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Steve, how did your experiments go and what approach works best for you?
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Hi ! I think recording technique depend of what we need : live, studio, etc..

I experiment cloded miking to have a great presence and low frequency. If you use ortf you can have great stereo effect with sound oscillations right/left. XY is more respectful of original sound (because less dephasing).

Yous can use distant miking if you like "natural" sound with "spacing".

If the sound is hard and metallic, I use Oktava MK-012.
If the sound is soft, I use a AT4050 or AKG C414

I can combine, like MS type recording, stereo oktava pair with AT4050 (because AT4050 have a large diaphragm, so can better reproduce low frequency)

If it's live, a simple SM57


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I too use an AT4050 and an AKG214 (essentially the same as a 414, the same diaphragm but only one, so no omni pattern), because that is what I have and they are both great large diaphragm condenser mics.

Live I use whatever the venue has, but one place that I often gig at has a pair of AKG3000's, also large D condensers, and I'll take them any day over SM57's.
We'll close mic position them each between two of my four best bowls. The highs of other nearby bowls get picked up well enough, but the bass enhancing close miking of those four primary bowls is a great sound through good quality amplification.

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Rich, the dificulty is to find the good microphone with the instrument. In any case Oktavas MK-012 are most multi-purpose than AKG414 and AT4050. I explain, mk-012 are less definite, and they change the sound, but they done a pleasant sound to listen (IMOO), because they "softer" the sound. And they are also not expensive, that's why it is possible to buy easily a matched pair to obtain differents stereo effects (usefull in studio).
Sometimes AT4050 is too "hard", too "aggressive" to listen, but it is definite.


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Hi Emmanuel,
I've never had the opportunity to use the Oktava MK-012 mics. Interesting to me that they give a softer sound with the bowls. I agree that the AT4050 can be too 'hard' with some instruments. I love my AT4050, but I've found the AKG to be warmer on some things.

On my last album there's a 10 minute piece with just two bowls.
At the time I recorded it, about 6 or 7 years ago, I liked it, which is why I put it on the album.
Listening to it now and it kind of annoys me because the louder dynamic hits are a bit too hard and harsh for my taste.
I think a big part of that was my technique and the mallets I was using then, but also likely this
was magnified by the AT4050.
Some things have evolved in 6 or 7 years.... I hope to redeem myself with what goes on the next album!

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Thanks guys, it'll be a period of experimentation. As for the Octava MC/MK 012s, my old ones have a very detailed sound, but a bit darker than some mics. Good transients, but the lack of boosted highs and high-mids can reduce transient brightness, which might be perceived as softness.
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I've also tested audix ADX-51, and they are goods for over-head, but I find they are also goods to record melallic instruments (cymbals, gongs, etc.). The sound is bright and definite.


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I use a pair of Rode NT-1's (black case). A very quiet mike which I feel does a good job for my setup. I also use my Zoom H6 X-Y mike capsules on the recorder as a closer source mike setup for the main bowl set. Then I can blend the two in the mix later.

I found the Rode's give a more detailed base & do a great job capturing the gongs.

 

At some point I am planning to send the NT-1's in to http://oktavamod.com/ for upgrading & matching. His reviews from his clients that use his services had been very positive.


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For recording, I usually use a condenser pair in either X/Y or ORTF positioning, then add a close up mic/s if I want more details.
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I record hundreds of singing bowls each year. I use an AT2020 with the goal of conveying the fundamental and overtones accurately. That mic might be a bit bass centric but I think that's good because people's minds tend to focus on and accentuate the fundamental. I get a lot of feedback from customers on the clips and their general take is that the bowl in their hand matches the MP3.

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