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Hi Rich,  I found there is indeed a quote feature in this forum, just click on the blue ballon with quotation marks in it, to the upper right of each post.

Yes, i just joined the forum, and am a friend and student of Mitch.  I found out about it in the latest Harmonic Therapy Association newsletter.  Thanks for creating this, Rich.

Bob, thank you!
(And the quote feature appears to work! Either I missed it before or it wasn't available during the original two week trial period - before I started paying for this little piece of cyber real estate.)


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To me, claims about integrity are pretty meaningless if no one knows who a poster is. While I may have a nick, my posts will have an accurate sig file with name and contact info, and my name and location are plain in my profile. I suggest others who want to be taken seriously do likewise.

 

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Steve,
I agree that a signature line with real name, if not using one's real name for the profile, is a generally good idea for a forum like this where we are colleagues and having 'professional' discussions etc.


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~ Integrity in the "Spiritual Practitioner/Healer Community" ~

What claims are you making about your work, your practice, your credentials, your "status", yourself?

How true are they? Have you "padded" your bio? Stretched dates? Exaggerated claims? Do you word your experiences, awards and accomplishments in a way that makes them sound like something more than they really are? If you do any of these things, how do you feel about it? How do you justify it to yourself? How do you respond to the self-inquiry that asks why you feel a need to do any of these things? Are you able to convince yourself of your integrity regardless of the "flexibility" of your claims? How do you REALLY feel about it when you look within, in that place that is just You and the Divine, You and Spirit, clear, naked, revealed?



I would actually prefer to say nothing about myself, but that doesn't seem to work, as people want to know something. That said, I only tell as much as I feel I need to. There is so much more that is better in person, or in action, than in a bio.What I do put out there is as truthful as I can be.

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Rich, can you tell me how to change my profile. I'll keep trying to figure it out, but if I don't...
OK...I found it! Neeever mind!
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Rich, can you tell me how to change my profile. I'll keep trying to figure it out, but if I don't...
OK...I found it! Neeever mind!

You got it, cool.

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I'm new here, but I'll play! [smile]

What claims are you making about your work, your practice, your credentials, your "status", yourself?

I generally don't make claims or promises.  People come to me for my main work which is acupuncture for which I am licensed and accredited for, and then usually get additional services like sound healing as an adjunct.

How true are they? Have you "padded" your bio? Stretched dates? Exaggerated claims? Do you word your experiences, awards and accomplishments in a way that makes them sound like something more than they really are? If you do any of these things, how do you feel about it? How do you justify it to yourself? How do you respond to the self-inquiry that asks why you feel a need to do any of these things? Are you able to convince yourself of your integrity regardless of the "flexibility" of your claims? How do you REALLY feel about it when you look within, in that place that is just You and the Divine, You and Spirit, clear, naked, revealed?

I don't need to pad the bio or make exaggerations.  In the days of Facebook and Linkedin and whatever else, lies get uncovered pretty quickly. Not all techniques will work or help everyone in the same way.  That is true of even Western orthodox medicine.  YMMV.

Are you 100% at peace and standing in full integrity when you come face to face with the Divine?

YES.  (As an INFP I don't have much choice in the matter.)

If you are a healer, claim to be a healer, think you are a healer, wish to be a healer, do you feel there is a place where you can be one while simultaneously not standing in full integrity with all that you are and all that you claim to be? Does image and the process of "selling yourself", of "creating abundance", trump integrity or justify the possible lapses, the exaggerations?

It is possible to make a living from healing and be in full integrity.  I've been living this lifestyle for more than a decade.  I find that sometimes people get confused by what a person defines as healer.  I tend to prefer more neutral terms like "practitioner" or "therapist" if I have a choice.  "Healer" can be a loaded word.  The healing that I have witnessed such as western medicine in the U.S. is practiced between an ACTIVE healer, say an M.D. and a PASSIVE patient.  That is the dynamic preferred here.  Even with standard massage, the massage therapist is the active participant working on the client sprawled out on the table.  Much of what I do requires BOTH parties be active with less emphasis on the healer role being active. I simply hold space, perform my service, and allow the client to heal themselves.  I am not interested in playing God or guru or whatever.

As far as certifications go, I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.  It certainly hasn't helped the acupuncturists any as we get legally undermined by other groups all the time.  But at the same time, no certification papers make it harder or more expensive for a practitioner to prove they have baseline knowledge when it comes time to buy insurance liability for your practice.  Seriously, in one of the clauses I've read for insurance, it says it won't cover damages done to a client with gemstone therapy.  I keep thinking what caused them to include this phrase?  Somehow somebody must have a story.  [biggrin]  And I wonder will sound healing go this way?  



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Hi Kit,

What is an INFP?
And what kind of damages can be done to a client with gemstone therapy?
Accidentally dropping a large crystal on their foot (or head) maybe?! [wink]


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Hi Rich!

What is an INFP?
And what kind of damages can be done to a client with gemstone therapy?
Accidentally dropping a large crystal on their foot (or head) maybe?! [wink]



An INFP is a personality type described by Meyers-Brigg Temperament Indicator. (MBTI)  You can take a test to figure out what you are.  The most accurate tests are about 200 questions long.  INFP stands for Introverted INtuitive Feeling Perception.  Some people consider this stuff to be important (some companies use it for hiring even!) but others consider it more for entertainment like a newspaper horoscope.  The INFP type of person is terrible at lying and cannot easily live a life that is in conflict with his/her/their core values.  They can even make themselves physically ill doing so.  Basically a PITA! [biggrin] 

I don't know to be honest.  I mean can you put a gemstone on the wrong chakra or something and make someone sicker?  I suppose with sound healing a gong can fall on a person getting treated.  Such a litigious society we live in! [biggrin]
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Hi Rich!

  The INFP type of person is terrible at lying and cannot easily live a life that is in conflict with his/her/their core values.
 
Sounds like I'm very much with you on that!

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I don't know to be honest.  I mean can you put a gemstone on the wrong chakra or something and make someone sicker?  I suppose with sound healing a gong can fall on a person getting treated.  Such a litigious society we live in! [biggrin]

Yes, I much preferred it back in the 19th century when everything was unregulated and open for unfettered exploration. Back when snake oil salesmen actually sold snake oil!

Oh wait, I wasn't actually there...... or was I?

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I feel fortunate that I have, throughout my life, encountered very genuine teachers from short lineages. It's really a different experience when you learn in a genuine way from a true master teacher, not an institution or expert who hands out certificates. In all of my fields of study, I was fortunate to find amazing masters. I also found a lot of scholars who may be knowledgable on an intellectual level but not truly embodying the teaching, whatever the subject. I studied the Feldenkrais Method from Feldenkrais' top assistant who also translated his work into English. I received my Buddhist teachings from lineage holders with direct line all the way back to the Buddha. I always sought out the most direct and authentic teachers. It's not just for show or bragging rights. It's important to have genuine knowledge. As word travels, it changes. A message isn't the same after it's been diluted 10 times. So I believe it's important to find a genuine teacher in a direct lineage.

When it comes to sound healing, there are a few other issues that confuse matters. First, the New Age community has taken over sound healing. So there is all kinds of mixed up spiritual and metaphysical beliefs with sound healing. The hallmark of the New Age movement is to borrow and mix together various ideas into some their own new mish mash of beliefs. This approach plagues the sound healing community. So I would say avoid anyone who mixes up a lot of disparate beliefs. Sound and vibration doesn't have much to with color therapy. Yes you can describe color and sound as frequencies but that doesn't mean one has anything to do with the other in a practical sense. It's just new age mish mash to mix color therapy and sound healing. Pretty much every combination is made up - 7 metals, planet tones, color tones. Whenever someone combines 2 or more things that have nothing to do with each other, you can be sure they are creating their own philosophy.

Second, sound healing is new as a formal field of study and the people who teach it are making up their own approach. So there is no one to say what is right, standard or to be avoided. And there is no one overwhelmingly leading the way with major breakthroughs. Although I have strong belief in my own theories and ideas about sound, vibration and health, I think the serious breakthrough with sound healing will come from the world of medical devices, not from us playing acoustic instruments.

Third, I don't think the development of this field is very different from other fields. When something new is developed, it's a messy process. It only looks neat after the fact when things are worked out. So if people continue to find value in sound healing work, standards and best practices will be developed. It's a step by step process in any field. This forum is a good step in the right direction.
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About integrity, I just want to share a short text of CG Jung :

"Put man in front of his shadow meens showing him his light. He knows that light and shadow makes the world. If man sees at the same time his shadow and his light, he sees himself both two sides and thus he access his middle."

It implies that if I think I'm in the light, then I'm blind (ego trip). So, it's about humility... and for me it's a good criteria witch distinguish a "I want te be in the light" man, and a sincere adult and qualified healing man, therapist or spiritual leader. 

We live in this world, and money in this world is a form of payment. So personally, I'm almost always request money because it's neutral (I don't say it is perfect). It's a swap inservice between me as a practitionner and my patient as an adult men. consequently we are both free, and the patient is not indebted, he have no obligations to me (thus patient is not considered as a child). It's an adult/adult transaction, not parent/child. But it's only my point of view.

Yes, most people want certification, they want reassurance, and it's ok for me to play the game... but without beeing fooled !

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It implies that if I think I'm in the light, then I'm blind (ego trip). So, it's about humility... and for me it's a good criteria witch distinguish a "I want te be in the light" man, and a sincere adult and qualified healing man, therapist or spiritual leader. 


Thanks for your thoughts, Emmanuel,
the part I quoted above in particular.

I was just contemplating yesterday about what it is that gives me the sense that someone is "the real deal", someone who is sincere and qualified, someone whose services and public event offerings I would confidently recommend to others. I didn't specifically think of the word "humility", but in fact that is a big part of it.

When one is pushing too hard to be seen as "right" or as "the one who knows", when one can't shut up about all of the "esoteric knowledge" that they seem to think they have a special line on, when one regularly repeats their stories that cast themselves as "a Chosen One", etc..., all of these are symptoms of a lack of humility, symptoms of an ego out of balance, signs that they are someone I personally would not want to work with, or have practice their "healing work" on me.

Those who really "know" (something!), know that it is not about them, and they know how to share any wisdom or knowledge they may have with at least a little bit of grace, humility and humor. 

From the Tao de Ching, #17:

When the Master governs, the people
are hardly aware that he exists.

The Master doesn't talk, he acts.
When his work is done,
the people say, "Amazing:
we did it, all by ourselves!"


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I think you got it - if you meet an authentic person you know it. The liars rely on a lot of stories and words. I heard about research that shows how lying and manipulation uses different language. Liars use a lot of stories and I language. Truthful people tend to point things out that are easily observed and talk about things in the second person more. So a liar will tell a lot of stories about chakras and how great they are. A truthful person will get you to observe and gauge your own experience. I got a first hand experience with this yesterday - a lady called me about some singing bowls she was looking at. The seller went on and on about how his bowls were the real ones and others were fakes. In fact his were the fakes. He had to keep telling story after story to keep her interest because the products themselves were inferior. So the proof is in the pudding as they used to say. Talk is cheap. Real teachers and real experts are easy to spot once you're lucky enough to encounter them.
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