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prunenoveggie

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Well I know I haven't had many responses to my last post, but I'm hoping this question is a little more simple.

What do you all put your singing bowls on (if not the floor)? I've been having issues with my table...It's a folding table with draw liner attached to the top. The liner keeps the bowls from moving around, but sometimes the vibrations will cause buzzing in different parts of the table or other bowls. I've tried silicone O-rings (like the ones for glass singing bowls) as well as those singing bowl donut stands. The O-rings don't seem to help, and the bowls tend to move around on the donuts.

Any ideas? Is there some material I could use on top of the table that would provide better isolation? Eventually I plan on hanging a small gong from this table, so the more isolation the better!

Thanks for the help!
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Hey there! I also use my metal bowls on top of a folding table. I have the table double-clothed, and I use the spongy drawer liners under the bowls.
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Hey there! I also use my metal bowls on top of a folding table. I have the table double-clothed, and I use the spongy drawer liners under the bowls.


Thanks for the response, Tracy! When you say you have the table double-clothed, do you mean you have two regular tablecloths, with the spongy drawer liners on top of them? I was thinking of attaching some sort of foam padding on the table, but I think I'll try your tablecloths idea.

Thanks for the help!
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Yes. Two table cloths. One on top of the other, across the whole table. The drawer liners are just squares under each bowl. I might also experiment with the bigger, pillow-type rings with the drawer liner on top. Or liners on top and bottom of the ring, keeping the bowl and the ring in place. I don't use water, so the weight of that might be part of the issue.

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I've used different configs but basically a table cloth with shelf liner, hydraulic cylinder rubber seal rings. To record, must have someone hold them, for right miking, longest sustain. Your trying to maximize acoustics at the same time your violating boundary physics. You can put shlf liner down on the table first, cover with thin cloth, then shelf liner squares under the bowls. What types of bowls are you using? Some project better than others. How big is the space? Are you playing at a good spot in the room?
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I use 3.5" - 4" diameter rubber O-rings. For small bowls I use smaller rings, and for medium and small bowls I just use the bare rings. However on 9" diameter and larger bowls I wrap the O-ring with a strip of cloth which eliminates unwanted sounds of the bowl sticking to or vibrating against the rubber. I pretty much never use those pillows or large padded rings that come with some bowls.

Also the position on the table can make a big difference. Depending on the table and how many bowls you have to put on the table you may need to compromise on sound quality for positioning.... which seems to affect sustain and low tones the most. The question can sometimes be which bowls do I want sitting at the sweet spots?


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Thank you all for your help! It sounds like most of us use those silicone rings (like the ones that come with glass singing bowls), non-slip drawer liners, or both. And no one uses those stupid I will experiment with using a tablecloth or two and wrapping the rings of the larger bowls as Rich suggested.

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Also the position on the table can make a big difference. Depending on the table and how many bowls you have to put on the table you may need to compromise on sound quality for positioning.... which seems to affect sustain and low tones the most. The question can sometimes be which bowls do I want sitting at the sweet spots?



That's an interesting thought. We will start experimenting with bowl positioning tomorrow. In your experience, what matters most:

a) the position on the table

b) the position in the room,
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c) the relative position of the bowls to each other?

Our setup is FAR from ideal...we're in a relatively small room (around 16'x16') that doubles as my teaching studio, office, and living room...The bowls are much closer to the walls than I'd like, but that's how it has to be for now.

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Unless you have a heavy wooden table top, or a heavy stone or cement block table, then the position on the table is the most important.

The position in the room would be the second of those three, and some rooms it would be more significant than others.
I find the position in the room to usually be of greater signficance to my gong than to my bowls.
The positions of the listeners in relation to the bowls is also highly significant.

The relative positions of the bowls to each other is generally minimal to the point of not being of any concern to me - UNLESS the bowls are being miked and amplified..... like if I have two nice large diaphragm condenser mics to use on six bowls.

(Btw, Prunenoveggie, it is great to have a real name associated with everyone here. I generally feel much better about these conversations when I know who I am conversing with! Particularly if I know you from another forum or facebook page. 😉 )


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Thanks again, Rich. My name is Miles. I don't think you know me from anywhere else, but I did just job some Facebook groups where I saw your posts. I really appreciate your writing on all the myths and pseudo science that seem to be so prevalent in the singing bowl and sound healing world.
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You bring up a great point about miking. We are livestreaming a musical meditation every evening, so miking is quite important for our purposes. We've been having trouble with our "crystal" bowls, as they're louder than our brass bowls. They're all on the same 1 1/2 tables with 3 condensers overhead. We haven't figured out a good bowl/mic setup to help even out the volume yet.
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